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Re: A Korean-American Journey (Score: 1)
by Swinger203 on Tuesday, May 03 @ 01:25:52 EDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | "So, it is not simply a matter of some Asian women not wanting Asian men, but Asian men do not want other Asian men."
I think one can easily say that the desireability (or lack thereof) of Asian men is a derivative of the emasculation of the Asian man. I think this issue hasn't been confronted for various reasons. (this issue being gay Asian males who prefer gay White males) For one thing, it isn't a topic that many of the Asian males who post on this site seem to be able to relate to. Many of them are probably straight males and therefore probably have no inkling of what is going on in the gay Asian scene. Also, it is a lot easier to get angry at an Asian women (because the thought is...she should know better) then to be angry at a white male, who through white privilege, doesn't even realize that these issues exist.
"How can we talk about combating white supremacy when there remains resistance against expressions of sexism and patriarchy within the Asian community?"
Indeed, we must try to forge a bond between the genders. I've tried the method of attacking AFs in the past and it has honestly gone nowhere. It at best polarizes the situation making it more difficult to broach the subject in the future. I think that this forum needs to take measures to stop the bashing, and I understand it won't stop all together. But in order to get past this and work toward something, we need cooperation. No one with any form of pride, will ever change their mind about something if their viewpoints are attacked. Name calling and blaming people will not help anything. I think I've come a long way since my more angry days, I hope people heed this advice and try to change the way they try to disperse their ideas. Dialogue with AFs will be the only way to get them back.
That and some large muscles.
On an even lighter note...i hate preaching...someone should punchicize my face. |
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Re: A Korean-American Journey (Score: 1)
by sir_humpslot on Tuesday, May 03 @ 03:22:18 EDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | that's really low. isntead of focusing attention to where the MAJORITY of problem is within the asian community, you try to shift attention and focus away from AF to GAM. no doubt, to bring forth the wrath of the gay community against AM for gay bashing. that's such a low tactic, to pit a currently politically powerful group against one of the most disfranchised groups out there in order to shift the attention away from AF.
bottom line is to differentiate and separate AF issues from AM so that the two shall never meet. AF will never understand the plight of AM and pay-lip service to AM issues (figuratively) and then pay real lip-service to WM (literally). the solution starts with recognition of the problem there are tons of AF/WM along with the media and stop defending those authors. while AM can be virulent, the power structure of the game means we AM don't hold the cards. it's the AF turn, and so far most of you are still playing the denial game. |
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Re: A Korean-American Journey (Score: 1)
by OmegaSupreme on Tuesday, May 03 @ 11:52:36 EDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | "I do agree that it is refreshing to read the words of people like properspeaks. I think we need more MEN like properspeaks who has managed to approach the issue of oppression and sexism with understanding and open-mindedness. "
Oh, I thought properspeaks was an AF. Sorry if you felt we left you out Nysa; its good to have you aboard too and I hope you keep posting. |
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Re: A Korean-American Journey (Score: 1)
by ric on Tuesday, May 03 @ 15:56:40 EDT
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.xanga.com/ric2 | Still doesn't explain the IR disparity nor the night/club scene of america when it comes to AFs and AM. Also you are forgetting about the so called white-worshipping mentality that asians have, majority of course are AFs in heterosexual relationships and the gay AM.
Sure, insults and name calling are bad, but couldn't this be same thing in terms of actions of some CCB asian females who trot and show off their WM trophy?
If AM were marrying and dating out more, all the name calling would be directed towards men in equal fashion, but sense OUR community it's women are problems we have to be PC and nice instead of being REAL about issue. |
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Re: A Korean-American Journey (Score: 1)
by Tao on Tuesday, May 17 @ 02:03:09 EDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | I will address myself to the larger issues at hand. Just because an Asian-American woman writer is adjudged to be successful in mainstream, who she is married to should not be used as an excuse to invalidate her as an authentic Asian-American. Though some view Amy Tan’s and Maxine Kingston’s works to be nothing but Asian male bashing, (even though the authors have portrayed whites characters as culturally challenged) it can also be seen as the writers’ attempt to break a culturally imposed silence. I consider the authors’ works as an attempt to unravel the strong taboo against breaking silence imposed by men on their own women in one’s community. It happens in the African-American, Latino, and white community, and it is no different in the Asian community.
Bullshit. Nysa paints the ENTIRE Asian male community as "imposing silence" on women. That is as reprehensible as the white racist stereotyping all Asians as bad drivers. I've never tried to silence any woman, nor do I care to...when women speak their minds, it helps you avoid the lousy ones. How many of you men have "imposed silence" on women lately? How did you do it - by covering your ears? This is a stereotype of men straight out of "Womyn's Studies 101".
The choice of a mate is the ultimate power of the female. When a woman styles herself as an ethnic "activist", then marries out of her ethnicity, it is a deep comment on her true views and level of commitment to her ethnicity.
I do understand that emasculation and misrepresentation has been part of the Asian male presence in America - that has unfortunately been so firmly in place in many people’s minds – but that should not be an excuse to call women sell-out sluts, whore, white-***** sucker. It’s demeaning, appealing, and as mentioned before abusive.
If a woman has promiscuous intercourse with multiple sexual partners, she's a slut. If a man has promiscuous intercourse with multiple sexual partners, he's a slut. If a woman continually sucks white men's cocks, she's a white-cocksucker. If a man sells his body for money, he is a whore. If a person decides to demean himself, euphemizing his actions does nothing to address the issue of his behavior. I think anyone has the right to be a slut if they want to - but I also have the right to call them sluts. That is reality, and applying a sugarcoating to a turd does not change the underlying substance.
I know growing up in America can be difficult for many, but at the same time we need to question the values and lifestyles taken on by the dominant culture.
I agree fully. Feminism is one of the worst influences of the "dominant culture". This ideology permeates most of Nysa's comments.
Then there is Tao who likes to distort my statements.
One of the reasons I quote liberally in my responses is to highlight the exact words to which I am responding. Read my posts and decide for yourselves who is distorting statements here.
What I posted earlier does not suggest that I am discounting the efforts of Asian men. I just find calling a woman misogynistic names degrading and disrespectful. Furthermore, who are we to be the final arbiter in determining who should or should not get respect.Why can’t a person get respect because he/she is a human being?
That's not what you said in your original post. You stated: "More respect for women." So do you want more respect for women, or equal respect for both men and women?
Personally, I try to respect all individuals equally until they do something which shows me they don't deserve respect. That is called responsibility. Women must take responsibility for their own actions, as men do. That is true equality. You can't wield power without taking responsibility. Unfortunately, that is what feminism is about - getting power for women without taking any responsibility.
On another note, I highly dou
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