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Facing Up to Facebook Racism
Posted by Andrew on Friday, September 16 @ 10:00:00 EDT
Contributed by OmegaSupreme
Academia By Mythili Rao
©2005 Campus Progress
University of Virginia
May 24, 2005

Some controversial groups on the popular website spur University of Virginia students to explore the line between college humor and racial slurs.

When a close friend of University of Virginia sophomore Patrick Giesecke began teasing him about having an “Asian fetish,” Giesecke logged onto thefacebook.com and created a new group to catch the attention of his friend, who happened to be an Asian female: “People for the Propagation of the Asian Fetish.”

According to the facebook group, “Asian women are truly the most scrumptrillescent delicacy abroad.” The group’s purpose was “to bang out Asians. Bang hard or go home. Yes, even the ugly bitches.”

“I can’t help it if my dick likes the taste of Teriyaki sauce. Or soy. Or duck for that matter. And when I’m feeling a little risky, wasabi,” it proclaimed. Gieseke said his aims were satirical. “I couldn’t see anyone reading that and being like, ‘Wow, someone really wants to do this to Asian girls.’ I thought it was pretty blatant that it was just a joke,” he said.

Freshman Maryann Li stumbled across the website while browsing facebook groups. Li, who is Chinese, was shocked. “I showed it to my boyfriend because it was just so ridiculous,” she said.

Li’s boyfriend, Grant Woolard, is white. Woolard agreed with Li that the group’s treatment of Asian women was “demeaning and degrading.” But Woolard, who plans to study the Chinese language in Taiwan this summer and hopes to continue pursuing the language at U.Va. in the fall, said he also disliked the group for its portrayal of the relationships between white males and Asian females. “I was frustrated to be relegated to that category of the ignorant honky who drools over foreign flesh,” he said.

After e-mailing Giesecke, Woolard, already an old hand at creating facebook groups such as “Americans for the Metric System,” “Students for the Deification of Billy Joel,” and “The Super-Happy Friendly Lady at Newcomb [Dining Hall],” started “Americans for the Increased Importation of Asian Women.” Woolard said he intended the group as a response to Giesecke and as a humorous celebration of Asian women. Li joined, and the couple began inviting friends and acquaintances.

One of Woolard and Li’s invitees, second-year Elizabeth Chu, Chair of the University’s Diversity Initiatives Committee, didn’t find the site particularly humorous or celebratory. When Chu received her e-mail invitation, she was appalled. It is worth noting that Chu is already a member of the invitation-only facebook group “Chino’s Paradise” (group description: “Give into the hotness”), in which forty-eight of forty-nine women who are members are Asian, but, she says, she drew a line at explicitly objectifying language. “The name alone was offensive,” she said.

Chu enlisted the help of second-year Julie Chen, and together, the two published a letter in the student paper, The Cavalier Daily, in response. “This blatant racism and sexism is an unacceptable message for a university of our caliber to be sending to our students as well as to our peer institutions,” they wrote. In an interview, Chen explained her thinking on the formation of the groups: “In my mind there was an environment here at U.Va. that made it okay to do that.”

In recent years, race has been a hot button topic at U.Va. In March 2003, the alleged attack on U.Va. student council presidential candidate Daisy Lundy, who is black and Korean, spurred an FBI investigation and a deluge of community activism. Blackface fraternity parties that spring kept issues of race in the forefront. In June 2004, the report of the President’s Commission on Diversity and Equity, which outlined a series of recommendations for transforming U.Va.’s racial climate, summed up the atmosphere with candor: “It is no secret that this Commission was appointed in the aftermath of several disheartening incidents of racial injustice and insensitivity on the Grounds of the University.”

As tension around the issue increased, Chen and Chu didn’t contact the groups’ creators but did alert Daisy Rodriguez, assistant dean for Asian/Asian Pacific American students in the Office of the Dean of Students, despite Chu saying, “I wanted the people who formed those groups to take down their groups on their own, and not because some administrator forced them to.”

With the publication of Chen and Chu’s article, Li began receiving e-mails from students expressing dismay at her membership in “Americans for the Increased Importation of Asian Women.” Although Woolard was listed as the group’s founder, it was Li who students and administrators—including Rodriguez—first sought out. “People saw me as someone who had betrayed the Asian race, which I thought was silly,” she said.

Rodriguez soon contacted Giesecke and Woolard, too. For Giesecke, it was the first time he had received feedback regarding his group since his e-mail exchange with Woolard. Giesecke, who has since taken down the group’s statement, says he would have done so sooner had an offended peer contacted him. “It wasn’t even funny anymore—it was only funny for the shock factor. But no one came out and said anything.”

At a mandatory meeting called by Rodriguez, she asked Giesecke and Woolard if they would be comfortable reading their group’s descriptions aloud in a room full of Asian women. “Although I’m a firm believer of everything I wrote in that group, I don’t think I would feel comfortable reading that in front of a group of people,” Woolard admitted.

By now, news of the incident had spread throughout U.Va., and an open forum was held at the Kaleidoscope Center for Cultural Fluency. The timing of the facebook controversy, which coincided with U.Va.’s Asian-American Pacific Heritage Month, only amplified the tension. “They already had these prepackaged rants,” Woolard said of the forum’s most vocal participants. He also expressed disappointment that in discussion, blame fell on Li. “My behavior was expected because I’m white and ‘foreignness is hot,’” he said. Giesecke, who said he did not find out about the forum until a few days after it had taken place, did not attend.

Defenders of the two facebook groups, including the editors of U.Va.’s daily paper, skirted the issue of race, instead focusing on whether or not it was the administration’s place to intervene in the first place. Since the facebook isn’t exclusive to U.Va. but instead is just a website used by its students, why should U.Va. officials be able to step in and monitor the content and the content’s creators?

“Nothing vindicates Rodriguez or anyone else taking substantive action against students expressing themselves,” the student newspaper’s editors wrote. “There are any number of facebook groups which are potentially offensive to any number of people, not to mention daily words and actions; should students be hauled before a dean every time a peer is insulted?”

In his defense, Woolard also noted the triviality of the facebook website. “A lot of things we support in facebook we don’t support in real life,” Woolard noted. “On the facebook, a lot of times, joining a group is a way of humoring your friends.”

Sure, the facebook is silly, but with over 832 registered schools and over 2.7 million registered users, the facebook has grown from a technological diversion to a complex component of college life. Now it is a media outlet where the usual contentious subjects — race and sexuality, and their intersection in this case—can take center stage, raising questions about how seriously we should take our online interactions. If the text from the facebook groups was written on a blackboard in a U.Va. classroom or scrawled on the side of a campus building, how would the response have been different? Should it have been different?

Woolard has since redefined his facebook group and renamed it. Now titled “Americans Who Value Females of Asian Descent,” the group purpose runs as follows: “We believe Asian females are one of our country’s most valuable assets. However, it is all too common that some Western perspectives ignorantly reduce them to mere objects of gratification and overlook their many qualities.” The group’s photo, which previously featured an image of an Asian woman lying down above a caption reading, “Made in China. Size small. Wrinkle resistant,” now displays an Asian model gazing at the camera. “Join the CelebrAsian!” the site proclaims.

A few weeks later, the momentum for race-related discourse and awareness at U.Va. only seems to be increasing. Recently, the University Judiciary Committee officially created the Ad Hoc Subcommittee for Sanctioning of Hate Crimes. Along with other student leaders, Chen and Chu have begun planning a “Speak Out” which will invite students who have faced discrimination to share their stories with the community at U.Va’.s amphitheater in the fall. Yet when it comes to race, Chu still believes that “the majority of white people at U.Va. don’t care.”

“There needs to be more of an effort to break out of the black-white binary that exists in racial discourse at U.Va.,” Chen agreed. “I think that certainly that’s an important discourse to have, given the history of the South and Virginia, but I think it’s also important to take into account that there’s a range of discrimination involving Asians, Latinos, bi-racial and multi-racial people, too.”

Clearly, the conversation is in no way over. “Part of me is glad that this discussion was generated,” Woolard said. “Sometimes it takes something outrageous to get people to start talking.”
 
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Re: Facing Up to Facebook Racism (Score: 1)
by Hamstadini (Hamstadini@aol.com) on Saturday, September 17 @ 03:52:16 EDT
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When I first saw this article, I was stunned for a few seconds. But then I started thinking, "How the heck did this get started?" Here's what I came up with:

This guy, Giesecke, started this off as a joke. He didn't think it would be offensive to anybody. Why? Because he had no regard for the race he was targeting, and moreover, saw no immediate threat to himself. Recall in "Rush Hour" when Jackie Chan says the n-word to one of the people in the pool club. The response was immeadiate and threatening. With such a perception of African-Americans, Giesecke would never have made a facebook club such as "I like (n-word) women and I cannot lie," because he knew that he would be putting his life on the line. Us asian-americans have no such response, or are percieved to have none. Therefore, as soon as such things are detected, we should jump on them immeadiately, and co-ordinate with others to shut them down.

It doesn't help that Maryann Li our sister (if you can even call her that anymore) did nothing to prevent this atrocity from happening. She is a true sellout. How can I say this? The article does not mention any indication that Li resisted this idea (and if I were in her position and I DID resist the idea, I would make darn well sure that the article indicated that). I get the impression that instead of thinking about how the facebook group would impact the Asian community as a whole, she was concerned only that there would be friction in her banana relationship if she disagreed with the idea. Sure, it's bad to have a girl cater to the white man's needs, but when she stops thinking about her community? That's a TRUE sellout.

So the moral of the story is: no matter what race you're dating, white, black, latino, whatever, if they have some misconception about your cultural identity set them straight right then and there, or else it could turn into something big. Also, if you find some indignity against our race, notify anyone and everyone who could be offended, and rally together immeadiately. Show them that we will not tolerate insults, even if they are meant as "Jokes."

And for the sake of all that is holy, put some asian bada--es on the movie screen. Show them what happens when you use the wrong colloquialisms.



Re: Facing Up to Facebook Racism (Score: 1)
by wzhao553 on Saturday, September 17 @ 18:56:59 EDT
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Okay, that was a pretty funny article.

We should add this one to the Asian fetish entry on wikipedia to.



Re: Facing Up to Facebook Racism (Score: 1)
by UsAgainstThem on Saturday, September 17 @ 22:46:40 EDT
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Doesnt ***** matter
" When she showed this to her boyfriend, Grant Woolard. "

- HA! this fuckin cracker was thinkin, ***** this guy gave up our secret! * must act shocked*

Stupid ***** whore, talk Asian Bed Whitey.

News Flash Whoriental, Every***** white goober you date thinks the same fuckin way. You think they like asian culture because of it's fashion? Please, you asian women who whore to whtie men are just a bunch of morons.

Seriously, good for one thing only, and thats to please the white man. Dumb Bitches.



Re: Facing Up to Facebook Racism (Score: 1)
by Spirit on Sunday, September 18 @ 16:57:16 EDT
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"Li’s boyfriend, Grant Woolard, is white. Woolard agreed with Li that the group’s treatment of Asian women was “demeaning and degrading.” But Woolard, who plans to study the Chinese language in Taiwan this summer and hopes to continue pursuing the language at U.Va. in the fall, said he also disliked the group for its portrayal of the relationships between white males and Asian females. “I was frustrated to be relegated to that category of the ignorant honky who drools over foreign flesh,” he said.

After e-mailing Giesecke, Woolard, already an old hand at creating facebook groups such as “Americans for the Metric System,” “Students for the Deification of Billy Joel,” and “The Super-Happy Friendly Lady at Newcomb [Dining Hall],” started “Americans for the Increased Importation of Asian Women.” Woolard said he intended the group as a response to Giesecke and as a humorous celebration of Asian women. Li joined, and the couple began inviting friends and acquaintances."

You know the old saying if it looks like duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Well, if it looks like an aisaphile, talaks like an asiaphile then it is an asiaphile.

That student Li probably showed it to her boyfriend to see how much of a rush he got out of it. maybe she felt remotely offended by the original group but after hearing her whiteboy's reaction she remembered herself. Her boyfriend is no better than that first clown. It's good that some smart minded women actually took offense to this racist and sexist crap but this is distrurbing. How many AFs sell themselves out to defend creeps like this Giesecke and Woolard?? :( Disgusting. This once again shows what is on the mind of the majority of these AF dating clowns who take Asian language courses and make plans to study or work abroad.



Re: Facing Up to Facebook Racism (Score: 1)
by LuXun on Sunday, September 25 @ 10:18:34 EDT
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This is an obvious (and cliche) comment but Maryann Li (or Lee as other articles have described her surname) fits the textbook definition of an Asian sell-out. Of course, she is hardly the only one. There seems to be a strong correlation between sell-outs and White-only Asian females.



Re: Facing Up to Facebook Racism (Score: 1)
by chinmoku on Wednesday, September 28 @ 17:46:09 EDT
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Since when did white boys deserve Asian women? This random white boy from Bumblef*ck, USA doesn't believe he is hurting anyone. This is why Hamstadini is correct in mentioning that this white boy thought it was a joke. People think it is a joke because they do not know how it affects Asians. Let white people stay Bumblef*cks all around the country and let everyone else live in the cities. White boys should stick to growing food for us on their farms.



Re: Facing Up to Facebook Racism (Score: 1)
by smeyer7 on Thursday, November 10 @ 00:44:08 EST
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I found modelminority.com when I was searching online for advice on how to deal with my girlfriend's family. I am white, born in Chicago, my girlfriend is Chinese born in Myanmar. We met at school two years ago and I am meeting her parents in two weeks hoping that I will be able to convince them to allow me to marry their daughter. According to my girlfriend there are members of her family who will never speak to her again if she marries a white guy. Needless to say she is being very brave.

When I started reading this forum, I was absolutely astonished at the opinions held by its members. This website was created to combat racism, and in every other post there are broad sweeping statements about honkies and crackers, and how all white men are evil and think the same way. Now, as a member of a powerful majority in this country I don't really feel I have much of a right to talk about racism. The only things that really bother me are the following:

1. If people like you had gotten to my girlfriend before I did, she might have believed your nonsense and we wouldn't be together.

2. If we do get married and have children, how will my children feel hearing about how daddy is a fascist white oppressor who raped submissive whoriental mommy?

My girlfriend is absolutely the most beautiful thing in my life, I have never seen anything more astonishingly beautiful than her. Just because I like her features, and just because they are asian features doesn't mean a damn thing.

My point is this: A lot of people here are racists, and need to address that issue before they worry about anyone else.

-Scott

P.S. My parents are NOT racists, they love my girlfriend and keep asking when we are getting married.



Re: Facing Up to Facebook Racism (Score: 1)
by tonyp on Sunday, November 27 @ 15:43:04 EST
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What the f*** is up with all of this bullsh**, whining about AFs selling out, whorientals, and bitching how white boys don't deserve Asians. So what if people have a right to be upset about asswipe dumbf***s who should be taken out back and beaten within an inch of their miserable, pathetic, worthless lives; and, yeah, no shit, Maryann Li is a true sellout who deserves to spend the best years of her life with no better than the moronic, morally-bankrupt trash she supports (and that would be just as true if she were Caucasian); and, yeah, smeyer7 is a naive imbecile or a condescending prick depending on how cynical you've become -- but he still makes a point about the goals of this site: is it to raise awareness about racism or just a forum to gripe about crackers and out sound like CM losers who ***** about CFs selling out to BMs. I think smeyer7's post is disingenuous, sanctimoniously feigning hurt and insensitively failing to address the original reason for the topic, but holy f***, let's be honest -- since it was so easy to slam smeyer7 for his weak-ass transparent ploy at seeking approval, how come nobody stepped up to the plate to slam UsAgainstThem or chinmoku.

Whatever.



Re: Facing Up to Facebook Racism (Score: 1)
by BoXu333 on Sunday, January 08 @ 17:57:33 EST
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Statistically, Asian girls are like marrying out of their race like crazy, pretty much abandoning much of what is Asian American. There are 3 AF/WM marriages to every AM/WF marriages. Most of this really isn't the fault of the white males, its the American media, which protrays white men as the manly man, and asian women as the ultimate feminine being, also making Asian men penisless and weak. This really hurts the social lives of many Asian men. However, for me, its different. I don't date Asian women exclusively, so i don't have too much of a problem (I am AM), but even so, the media portrial of Asian men is demeaning and ridiculous, we can kick ass on tv with kung fu, but still can't speak english or land the hot chick. There are plenty of interesting and attractive Asian guys out there, but for some reason, whether its WF or AF, they don't see it that way, this issue is a true crisis in the Asian American community.



Re: Facing Up to Facebook Racism (Score: 1)
by jps58 on Sunday, May 21 @ 18:29:25 EDT
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Well, I'll offer my two cents.

First of all, chill out. Facebook groups are overreaching, but they're only meant as a joke. I go to U. of Michigan, and trust me, there are so many groups that are openly extreme that virtually anyone can find a group offensive. Point is, if the insults are being spread around, you can't criticize merely on one case.

Second, I agree with the contention that the media is a problem. Case and point: William Hung. He's like the elephant man of the 21st century. The media's depiction of Asian American males as hapless, nerdy, weak, scheming, overbearing etc... does indeed contribute to how we are viewed not only by Asian American females, but whites as well. I notice this when I'm taking to white females. It's like they're shocked that I'm just a regular guy who's easygoing and friendly. Very troubling.

But, the devil's advocate argument is convincing as well. It's not like Asian females are helping us out. Some actively seek White males only and like the fact that they are being "fetishized." A lot of them have the same stereotypes that are evident in the media. Somehow, I think it's hard to believe that so many AA females can fall for these media portrayals. There must be some other reason why some AA females only go after males. I think status has a lot to do with it.

In the end, like most issues, the answers are not definitive but rather rely on varying levels of degree. What's more important: the media or the personal decisions AA females make? Who's defining the parameters? My guess, based on my limited experience, is that we too often ignore the motives of AA females. Rather, we assume they are victims. This, in my opinion, is a mistake. There are AA females who do indeed only date White males for incredibly shallow reasons like status (rather than, say, love and affection). In that sense, AA females can be seen as part of the problem.

Now, at the risk of sounding like a frustrated AA males, I totally agree that if an inter-racial relationship is based on love, it should be supported. A big problem with AA today is parental pressure to marry within race, which to me is something very unfortunate. But to base relationships on status is another story.


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